Comments on: War vs. Invasion http://nslog.com/2003/03/30/war_vs_invasion The Weblog of Erik J. Barzeski Wed, 23 May 2012 23:05:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Michel http://nslog.com/2003/03/30/war_vs_invasion#comment-1617 Michel Tue, 01 Apr 2003 07:23:38 +0000 http://nslog.com/2003/03/30/war_vs_invasion/#comment-1617 >It's unfortunate that this is becoming a peace blog, but >even more unfortunate that it's an uninformed one I don't get it, why it's "unfortunate" to be a PEACE blog ? one : I don't think it's a "peace blog", and TWO : from when is it bad to be for peace ???!! and yes, USA is doing an "invasion" of Iraq. it's really great than Iraq got Oil, old good America can go to invade, destroy town, and kill people, youhou ! and all this stuff about Saddam would be responsible for the twin towers horrible destruction.. ho please, how someone can believe that ? ho I'm so disapointed. it's terrible to see how the people in arabish countries are now fanatized more and more against the Occident. And all of that for oil. damn ! sigh, whatever, Erik is right, technically, the USA doesn"t make "war" this time or while vietnam but frankly I can think people will agree it was a very difficult time and a lot of deads (for american and others) "war" or not. >It's unfortunate that this is becoming a peace blog, but >even more unfortunate that it's an uninformed one

I don't get it, why it's "unfortunate" to be a PEACE blog ?

one : I don't think it's a "peace blog", and TWO : from when is it bad to be for peace ???!!

and yes, USA is doing an "invasion" of Iraq. it's really great than Iraq got Oil, old good America can go to invade, destroy town, and kill people, youhou !

and all this stuff about Saddam would be responsible for the twin towers horrible destruction.. ho please, how someone can believe that ? ho I'm so disapointed. it's terrible to see how the people in arabish countries are now fanatized more and more against the Occident.

And all of that for oil. damn !

sigh, whatever, Erik is right, technically, the USA doesn"t make "war" this time or while vietnam

but frankly I can think people will agree it was a very difficult time and a lot of deads (for american and others) "war" or not.

]]> By: Erik J. Barzeski http://nslog.com/2003/03/30/war_vs_invasion#comment-1616 Erik J. Barzeski Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:48:50 +0000 http://nslog.com/2003/03/30/war_vs_invasion/#comment-1616 Nick, thanks. But no full-scale rebuttal is necessary. This post says nothing political. It says nothing about whether I'm for the "war" or against it. It only talks about how the media has misused the word "war" from a legal standpoint (i.e. only Congress can declare "War") but is using it properly from a dictionary standpoint (i.e. "war" = people fighting with each other). I never said we - "the government of this country" - called the Korean or Vietnam conflicts "wars" officially, but c'mon, people are "Korean War" or "Vietnam War" veterans. They were fighting a war in the dictionary sense, but not the legal sense. That's my only point - a grammatical, point of interest, "misleading our youth" sort of thing. Not a political one. So you can call me out for lack of research or fact-checking, but frankly, it doesn't seem that you even read the post, so I'll just hold up a mirror, Brian. You're criticizing me for things I didn't even discuss or touch on. Nick, thanks. But no full-scale rebuttal is necessary. This post says nothing political. It says nothing about whether I'm for the "war" or against it. It only talks about how the media has misused the word "war" from a legal standpoint (i.e. only Congress can declare "War") but is using it properly from a dictionary standpoint (i.e. "war" = people fighting with each other).

I never said we - "the government of this country" - called the Korean or Vietnam conflicts "wars" officially, but c'mon, people are "Korean War" or "Vietnam War" veterans. They were fighting a war in the dictionary sense, but not the legal sense. That's my only point - a grammatical, point of interest, "misleading our youth" sort of thing. Not a political one.

So you can call me out for lack of research or fact-checking, but frankly, it doesn't seem that you even read the post, so I'll just hold up a mirror, Brian. You're criticizing me for things I didn't even discuss or touch on.

]]> By: Brad http://nslog.com/2003/03/30/war_vs_invasion#comment-1615 Brad Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:47:05 +0000 http://nslog.com/2003/03/30/war_vs_invasion/#comment-1615 I don't think this is really becoming a peace blog just because Erik points out how the media does a disservice to education by mislabeling military actions as war. But then again, why should they act any different then they do everyday? Sensationalizing the news seems to draw people in better then straight reporting. After all we can't let facts get in the way of getting the emotional response from soccer moms. The fact still stands that war hasn't been declared, only the authorization of the use of force. Those are two different things. I don't think this is really becoming a peace blog just because Erik points out how the media does a disservice to education by mislabeling military actions as war. But then again, why should they act any different then they do everyday? Sensationalizing the news seems to draw people in better then straight reporting. After all we can't let facts get in the way of getting the emotional response from soccer moms.

The fact still stands that war hasn't been declared, only the authorization of the use of force. Those are two different things.

]]> By: Nick http://nslog.com/2003/03/30/war_vs_invasion#comment-1614 Nick Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:13:46 +0000 http://nslog.com/2003/03/30/war_vs_invasion/#comment-1614 I'll leave Erik to do the full-scale rebuttal, but I do want to point out the obvious logical fallacy in your argument, Brian. Just because the conflicts in Korea and Vietnam are called "wars" doesn't make that the conflict in Iraq is clearly one as well ... could be that those are misnamed as well. You're basing your argument on grounds that I doubt Erik will yield. And the way I see it, this isn't a particularly political point, more just a terminology one. --Nick I'll leave Erik to do the full-scale rebuttal, but I do want to point out the obvious logical fallacy in your argument, Brian. Just because the conflicts in Korea and Vietnam are called "wars" doesn't make that the conflict in Iraq is clearly one as well ... could be that those are misnamed as well. You're basing your argument on grounds that I doubt Erik will yield. And the way I see it, this isn't a particularly political point, more just a terminology one.

--Nick

]]> By: Brian http://nslog.com/2003/03/30/war_vs_invasion#comment-1613 Brian Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:24:42 +0000 http://nslog.com/2003/03/30/war_vs_invasion/#comment-1613 What we call the Korean War was a U.N.-led "police action," and never a congressionally-declared war. Congress never declared "war" on Vietnam, either. Congress used the Gulf of Tonkin resolution to give L.B.J. the authority to prevent aggression against U.S. forces. So, "technically," it was an invasion, to use your argument. That congressional resolution is an important precedent, because if you'll do some simple fact checking, you'll find that Congress empowered the current president in an Oct. 2002 resolution to attack Iraq if they failed to give up their WsMD per U.N. resolutions. It's unfortunate that this is becoming a peace blog, but even more unfortunate that it's an uninformed one. What we call the Korean War was a U.N.-led "police action," and never a congressionally-declared war. Congress never declared "war" on Vietnam, either. Congress used the Gulf of Tonkin resolution to give L.B.J. the authority to prevent aggression against U.S. forces. So, "technically," it was an invasion, to use your argument. That congressional resolution is an important precedent, because if you'll do some simple fact checking, you'll find that Congress empowered the current president in an Oct. 2002 resolution to attack Iraq if they failed to give up their WsMD per U.N. resolutions.

It's unfortunate that this is becoming a peace blog, but even more unfortunate that it's an uninformed one.

]]> By: Arcterex http://nslog.com/2003/03/30/war_vs_invasion#comment-1612 Arcterex Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:01:39 +0000 http://nslog.com/2003/03/30/war_vs_invasion/#comment-1612 I thought it was a "liberation of an opressed people who just happen to have a lot of oil" or something like that, not an "invasion". I thought it was a "liberation of an opressed people who just happen to have a lot of oil" or something like that, not an "invasion".

]]> By: Gabe http://nslog.com/2003/03/30/war_vs_invasion#comment-1611 Gabe Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:00:20 +0000 http://nslog.com/2003/03/30/war_vs_invasion/#comment-1611 The U.S. had declared war only four times: War of 1812, Spanish-American War, World War I and World War II. Just info I looked up through sheer boredom. The U.S. had declared war only four times: War of 1812, Spanish-American War, World War I and World War II. Just info I looked up through sheer boredom.

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