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		<title>By: jeff</title>
		<link>http://nslog.com/2003/05/01/emusic_vs_imusic#comment-2790</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2004 23:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the article is gone now, replaced by:



Why EMusic no longer gets it (and Apple is getting closer)



UPDATE 2003-10-09: EMusic just radically changed their terms of service in such a way that invalidates the points made my original article. I&#039;m updating this version to reflect the new terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the article is gone now, replaced by:</p>
<p>Why EMusic no longer gets it (and Apple is getting closer)</p>
<p>UPDATE 2003-10-09: EMusic just radically changed their terms of service in such a way that invalidates the points made my original article. I'm updating this version to reflect the new terms.</p>
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		<title>By: freeform goodness</title>
		<link>http://nslog.com/2003/05/01/emusic_vs_imusic#comment-2792</link>
		<dc:creator>freeform goodness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2003 05:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Competition Is A Wonderful, Wonderful Thing&lt;/strong&gt;

I&#039;ve been an Emusic subscriber since 2000... I think their monthly service, at $9.99 has been one of the best deals in existence for the music fan who wants access to music by a huge quantity of good (if not necessarily well-known) artists.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Competition Is A Wonderful, Wonderful Thing</strong></p>
<p>I've been an Emusic subscriber since 2000... I think their monthly service, at $9.99 has been one of the best deals in existence for the music fan who wants access to music by a huge quantity of good (if not necessarily well-known) artists.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://nslog.com/2003/05/01/emusic_vs_imusic#comment-2789</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2003 01:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you think Erik and I &quot;hold similar viewpoints&quot;? Just because we both like the ITMS?! I can&#039;t really tell myself.



Anyway, as for my friends and I, we couldn&#039;t care less about major labels versus indie, and I suggest that we are a large majority. I personally prefer it when the majority agrees with me; it makes life easier.



I didn&#039;t mean to say anything other than what I did when I said &quot;we&#039;re the ones fueling the engine of commerce.&quot; To explicate: Apple chose to use their limited resources to contract for music by the major labels &#039;cause me and my pals are the largest bloc of voters where dollars are votes. Yay, us! I hope they continue in that vein. 



I hope they spend about 1 minute of effort tracking down indie music for every 9 minutes they spend on major label music. Luckily for indie fans, that 1 minute will probably be quite productive. Indies won&#039;t be demanding stiff terms, and it&#039;s not much skin off Apple&#039;s teeth to put up more files. Plus, Apple&#039;s marketers can then promote their large catalog.



Anyway, I don&#039;t blithely dismiss non-mainstream tastes. I thoughtfully dismiss non-mainstream tastes. And, actually, that&#039;s not really true: I just dislike when minority tastes gain disproportionate influence because of that minority&#039;s passionate activism. Such activism only works because of our damnable penchant to root for the underdog.



PS - I use a Mac only because itâ€™s better. I reject any gratuitous anti-establishment associations that anyone tries to attach to me because of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you think Erik and I "hold similar viewpoints"? Just because we both like the ITMS?! I can't really tell myself.</p>
<p>Anyway, as for my friends and I, we couldn't care less about major labels versus indie, and I suggest that we are a large majority. I personally prefer it when the majority agrees with me; it makes life easier.</p>
<p>I didn't mean to say anything other than what I did when I said "we're the ones fueling the engine of commerce." To explicate: Apple chose to use their limited resources to contract for music by the major labels 'cause me and my pals are the largest bloc of voters where dollars are votes. Yay, us! I hope they continue in that vein. </p>
<p>I hope they spend about 1 minute of effort tracking down indie music for every 9 minutes they spend on major label music. Luckily for indie fans, that 1 minute will probably be quite productive. Indies won't be demanding stiff terms, and it's not much skin off Apple's teeth to put up more files. Plus, Apple's marketers can then promote their large catalog.</p>
<p>Anyway, I don't blithely dismiss non-mainstream tastes. I thoughtfully dismiss non-mainstream tastes. And, actually, that's not really true: I just dislike when minority tastes gain disproportionate influence because of that minority's passionate activism. Such activism only works because of our damnable penchant to root for the underdog.</p>
<p>PS - I use a Mac only because itâ€™s better. I reject any gratuitous anti-establishment associations that anyone tries to attach to me because of it.</p>
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		<title>By: WE ARE HUGH</title>
		<link>http://nslog.com/2003/05/01/emusic_vs_imusic#comment-2791</link>
		<dc:creator>WE ARE HUGH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2003 20:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;eMusic vs. iMusic&lt;/strong&gt;

NSLog: &quot;Someone published an article called Why eMusic Gets It as a
direct comparison between eMusic and the iTunes Music Store (iMusic for
the purpose of a funnier title). Point by point, let&#039;s have a look at
the issues raised.&quot;</description>
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<p>NSLog: "Someone published an article called Why eMusic Gets It as a<br />
direct comparison between eMusic and the iTunes Music Store (iMusic for<br />
the purpose of a funnier title). Point by point, let's have a look at<br />
the issues raised."</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://nslog.com/2003/05/01/emusic_vs_imusic#comment-2788</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2003 18:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, I got you and Michael mixed up -- sorry about that, I&#039;m a newcomer to this site. But you seem to hold similar viewpoints, so my comments are directed in that general vicinity.



In any case, I must again politely disagree. The big five don&#039;t control anywhere near 90% of the music out there. Perhaps 90% of the *sales*, which is why I&#039;ll certainly agree that it was wise to bring them on board before anyone else. Quantity and diversity (and even quality, but let&#039;s not go there) are a different story.



I&#039;m glad I read this discussion -- it made me think more critically about ITMS, and it provided me with details on the eMusic service, which I&#039;m now seriously considering as an alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, I got you and Michael mixed up -- sorry about that, I'm a newcomer to this site. But you seem to hold similar viewpoints, so my comments are directed in that general vicinity.</p>
<p>In any case, I must again politely disagree. The big five don't control anywhere near 90% of the music out there. Perhaps 90% of the *sales*, which is why I'll certainly agree that it was wise to bring them on board before anyone else. Quantity and diversity (and even quality, but let's not go there) are a different story.</p>
<p>I'm glad I read this discussion -- it made me think more critically about ITMS, and it provided me with details on the eMusic service, which I'm now seriously considering as an alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik J. Barzeski</title>
		<link>http://nslog.com/2003/05/01/emusic_vs_imusic#comment-2787</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik J. Barzeski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2003 18:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, if that last comment was directed at me and not Michael, then I certainly assure you I&#039;m not &quot;blithely dismissing&quot; anyone&#039;s taste in music. In fact, indie bands and whatnot look to be coming to the iTunes Music Store, and I welcome it! Why? Because perhaps it will allow people to &quot;get into&quot; indie music more often by passing around those itms:// links to albums they like.



But the fact remains that right now, the music that most people buy, listen to, and download is that same 90% of music controlled by &quot;the big five.&quot; Apple would have been stupid to ignore that! They did the right thing.



I am a Mac user. I&#039;ve got a blog with its own domain name referring to a Cocoa printf-wannabe, but I&#039;m &lt;em&gt;blithely dismissing&lt;/em&gt; nobody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel, if that last comment was directed at me and not Michael, then I certainly assure you I'm not "blithely dismissing" anyone's taste in music. In fact, indie bands and whatnot look to be coming to the iTunes Music Store, and I welcome it! Why? Because perhaps it will allow people to "get into" indie music more often by passing around those itms:// links to albums they like.</p>
<p>But the fact remains that right now, the music that most people buy, listen to, and download is that same 90% of music controlled by "the big five." Apple would have been stupid to ignore that! They did the right thing.</p>
<p>I am a Mac user. I've got a blog with its own domain name referring to a Cocoa printf-wannabe, but I'm <em>blithely dismissing</em> nobody.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://nslog.com/2003/05/01/emusic_vs_imusic#comment-2786</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2003 18:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indies vs. major labels is a pretty central point for a lot of people (including most of my friends). I spent all week being excited about ITMS, but in the end, I haven&#039;t bought a single track, because there wasn&#039;t a single one that interested me that I didn&#039;t already have.



Michael, I can see what you meant to say with the comment about &quot;driving commerce&quot;, but the problem is that it&#039;s the other way around: the reason Apple has the major labels on their service is because it&#039;s the biggest bang for their buck. With the exception of a few artists like the Beatles, they have all the popular groups that make up some overwhelming portion of the sales in the music business. Your statement was inaccurate: my CD collection of about 300 CDs dwarfs that of most of my friends&#039;, which indicates that I&#039;m at least making a splash in the fuel tank of commerce (ugh, pushing that metaphor a little too far) -- and yet I would be able to find only about 5% of those artists on ITMS. Generally, people who listen to indie bands, electronic artists, jazz music, and other such non-mainstream styles are committed to music (you have to be, or else you wouldn&#039;t be able to find the music) and willing to spend more money on their music collections.



I suppose it isn&#039;t worth arguing, because it&#039;s going to come down to a pissing match, but it does seem strange to me that as someone who is a mac user, who runs a blog with its own domain name, and whose blog is an obscure programming reference, you would be willing to so blithely dismiss the value of non-mainstream tastes (musically and OS-wise).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indies vs. major labels is a pretty central point for a lot of people (including most of my friends). I spent all week being excited about ITMS, but in the end, I haven't bought a single track, because there wasn't a single one that interested me that I didn't already have.</p>
<p>Michael, I can see what you meant to say with the comment about "driving commerce", but the problem is that it's the other way around: the reason Apple has the major labels on their service is because it's the biggest bang for their buck. With the exception of a few artists like the Beatles, they have all the popular groups that make up some overwhelming portion of the sales in the music business. Your statement was inaccurate: my CD collection of about 300 CDs dwarfs that of most of my friends', which indicates that I'm at least making a splash in the fuel tank of commerce (ugh, pushing that metaphor a little too far) -- and yet I would be able to find only about 5% of those artists on ITMS. Generally, people who listen to indie bands, electronic artists, jazz music, and other such non-mainstream styles are committed to music (you have to be, or else you wouldn't be able to find the music) and willing to spend more money on their music collections.</p>
<p>I suppose it isn't worth arguing, because it's going to come down to a pissing match, but it does seem strange to me that as someone who is a mac user, who runs a blog with its own domain name, and whose blog is an obscure programming reference, you would be willing to so blithely dismiss the value of non-mainstream tastes (musically and OS-wise).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://nslog.com/2003/05/01/emusic_vs_imusic#comment-2785</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2003 02:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not being sarcastic at all, but I was exaggerating to make my point with less effort. However, on reskimming your post, I agree with just about everything you said except the cross platform snipe, but I won&#039;t go all off-topic on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not being sarcastic at all, but I was exaggerating to make my point with less effort. However, on reskimming your post, I agree with just about everything you said except the cross platform snipe, but I won't go all off-topic on it.</p>
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		<title>By: d.w.</title>
		<link>http://nslog.com/2003/05/01/emusic_vs_imusic#comment-2784</link>
		<dc:creator>d.w.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2003 02:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to go off on too much of an indie vs. majors tangent here, but usually when I go to buy music, I&#039;m looking for things that &lt;em&gt;aren&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; being played continually on the radio.  After all, if I just wanted to hear radio hits, I&#039;d (duh) just turn on the radio.  On the other hand, if I want to hear the new Yo La Tengo album, unless I get lucky tuning into the local college station, I&#039;ve got to buy (or download) it myself.  Emusic does a better job of scratching that itch.  If you&#039;re looking for Eminem records, you&#039;ve already got plenty of opportunities to hear him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to go off on too much of an indie vs. majors tangent here, but usually when I go to buy music, I'm looking for things that <em>aren't</em> being played continually on the radio.  After all, if I just wanted to hear radio hits, I'd (duh) just turn on the radio.  On the other hand, if I want to hear the new Yo La Tengo album, unless I get lucky tuning into the local college station, I've got to buy (or download) it myself.  Emusic does a better job of scratching that itch.  If you're looking for Eminem records, you've already got plenty of opportunities to hear him.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://nslog.com/2003/05/01/emusic_vs_imusic#comment-2783</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2003 01:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote: &lt;i&gt;I know a lot of folks like to look down their noses on the tastes of pop culture, but luckily for me and other non-snobs, we&#039;re the ones fueling the engine of commerce.&lt;/i&gt;



One more thing, what do you mean by this? If I buy a CD, I&#039;m supporting capitalism and commerce, regardless of who I buy it from. In fact, if I buy it from a local artist, it could be argued that I&#039;m actually fueling commerce even more than if I bought it from Wal-Mart, because the money will get turned around and sent back into the local economy, rather than getting collected in a far away place.



Also, I really don&#039;t think I&#039;m looking down my nose at anyone else&#039;s taste, I&#039;m just saying that my tastes are different from yours. Thats all good! People should have different taste, it keeps things diverse. My point is just that ITMS doesn&#039;t represent my tastes, and the tastes of many others (the numbers of who aren&#039;t very apparent at first glance, as I discussed in my last post). If it represents your tastes, then thats great, because you now have more choices at your disposal.



I admit that a little anti-pop-culture snobbery exists, but I don&#039;t think I&#039;m perpetuating that. I&#039;d prefer if you not toss the accusations around so much, in fear of creating a sort of anti-anti-pop-culture snobbery, which would be very unfortunate.



The other possibility is that you were being sarcastic and that I&#039;m just looking silly right about now. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote: <i>I know a lot of folks like to look down their noses on the tastes of pop culture, but luckily for me and other non-snobs, we're the ones fueling the engine of commerce.</i></p>
<p>One more thing, what do you mean by this? If I buy a CD, I'm supporting capitalism and commerce, regardless of who I buy it from. In fact, if I buy it from a local artist, it could be argued that I'm actually fueling commerce even more than if I bought it from Wal-Mart, because the money will get turned around and sent back into the local economy, rather than getting collected in a far away place.</p>
<p>Also, I really don't think I'm looking down my nose at anyone else's taste, I'm just saying that my tastes are different from yours. Thats all good! People should have different taste, it keeps things diverse. My point is just that ITMS doesn't represent my tastes, and the tastes of many others (the numbers of who aren't very apparent at first glance, as I discussed in my last post). If it represents your tastes, then thats great, because you now have more choices at your disposal.</p>
<p>I admit that a little anti-pop-culture snobbery exists, but I don't think I'm perpetuating that. I'd prefer if you not toss the accusations around so much, in fear of creating a sort of anti-anti-pop-culture snobbery, which would be very unfortunate.</p>
<p>The other possibility is that you were being sarcastic and that I'm just looking silly right about now. <img src='http://nslog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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