Comments on: Disliking Drawers http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers The Weblog of Erik J. Barzeski Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:32:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Jackie McGhee http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers#comment-2821 Jackie McGhee Tue, 13 May 2003 09:52:31 +0000 http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers/#comment-2821 I'm not such a fan of drawers myself. I've seen them used well (or maybe I dreamed an app where they were used well) but the over-riding impression is that they are annoying. I love Transmit as an FTP program, but I like to see the transcript of the uploads/downloads or whatever. In Transmit 1.7, they had the transcript window separate so I could have it as tall as I wanted and I could even minimise the main window and see the transactions taking place in the remaining transcrpipt window, now (Transmit 2) they have that as a drawer coming OUT OF THE BOTTOM of the main window, so now can I not only not minimise the main window and keep an eye on the transcript, I can't even make it a decent height, so it's much harder to keep track of where I am in an upload queue or something similar. Bah! :-| I tihnk I'm going to request a new feature from the lads at Panic. I'm not such a fan of drawers myself. I've seen them used well (or maybe I dreamed an app where they were used well) but the over-riding impression is that they are annoying.

I love Transmit as an FTP program, but I like to see the transcript of the uploads/downloads or whatever. In Transmit 1.7, they had the transcript window separate so I could have it as tall as I wanted and I could even minimise the main window and see the transactions taking place in the remaining transcrpipt window, now (Transmit 2) they have that as a drawer coming OUT OF THE BOTTOM of the main window, so now can I not only not minimise the main window and keep an eye on the transcript, I can't even make it a decent height, so it's much harder to keep track of where I am in an upload queue or something similar.

Bah! :-| I tihnk I'm going to request a new feature from the lads at Panic.

]]> By: Michael Tsai's Weblog http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers#comment-2825 Michael Tsai's Weblog Sun, 04 May 2003 02:04:20 +0000 http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers/#comment-2825 <strong>Interface Criticisms</strong> John Gruber rightly blasts Safari’s use of click-through. And Erik Barzeski voices some of my criticisms about drawers. There are only two drawers that I recall liking: the pages/thumbnails drawer in Preview and the Preview drawer in Path Finder... Interface Criticisms

John Gruber rightly blasts Safari’s use of click-through. And Erik Barzeski voices some of my criticisms about drawers. There are only two drawers that I recall liking: the pages/thumbnails drawer in Preview and the Preview drawer in Path Finder...

]]> By: Quarter Life Crisis http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers#comment-2824 Quarter Life Crisis Sat, 03 May 2003 13:07:01 +0000 http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers/#comment-2824 <strong>Not for Drawing</strong> Erik airs his dislike of drawers. I beg to disagree. For sure, it takes a bit of skill to... Not for Drawing

Erik airs his dislike of drawers. I beg to disagree. For sure, it takes a bit of skill to...

]]> By: Quarter Life Crisis http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers#comment-2823 Quarter Life Crisis Fri, 02 May 2003 19:52:16 +0000 http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers/#comment-2823 <strong>Thinking alike</strong> Time for random rants or rants on rants on software again. Relax, enjoy or grind your teeth and fast... Thinking alike

Time for random rants or rants on rants on software again. Relax, enjoy or grind your teeth and fast...

]]> By: Erik J. Barzeski http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers#comment-2820 Erik J. Barzeski Fri, 02 May 2003 18:45:47 +0000 http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers/#comment-2820 Entourage uses a split view. Entourage's folders can be hidden entirely and accessed without a drawer - you can move messages to folders with keyboard shortcuts. I tend to use Entourage in this "hidden folder view" mode. And Entourage's "drawer" can contain more than folders - it can contain Mail Views, making more use of that space than you can in Mail. But I also never said that Entourage was ideal in its use of a split view either. I'm talking about drawers, not Entourage. Entourage uses a split view. Entourage's folders can be hidden entirely and accessed without a drawer - you can move messages to folders with keyboard shortcuts. I tend to use Entourage in this "hidden folder view" mode. And Entourage's "drawer" can contain more than folders - it can contain Mail Views, making more use of that space than you can in Mail.

But I also never said that Entourage was ideal in its use of a split view either. I'm talking about drawers, not Entourage.

]]> By: Lauri K http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers#comment-2819 Lauri K Fri, 02 May 2003 18:32:45 +0000 http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers/#comment-2819 How is Mail wasting any more space than, say, Entourage? It's a similar three-pane view, except that in Mail the third pane is in a secondary window. How is Mail wasting any more space than, say, Entourage? It's a similar three-pane view, except that in Mail the third pane is in a secondary window.

]]> By: Erik J. Barzeski http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers#comment-2818 Erik J. Barzeski Fri, 02 May 2003 17:45:02 +0000 http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers/#comment-2818 I prefer Adium's use of tabs over Proteus' use of a drawer. It saves even more space <strong>and</strong> has nice keyboard shortcuts for moving amongs the conversations. I prefer Adium's use of tabs over Proteus' use of a drawer. It saves even more space and has nice keyboard shortcuts for moving amongs the conversations.

]]> By: argh128 http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers#comment-2817 argh128 Fri, 02 May 2003 16:56:30 +0000 http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers/#comment-2817 A nice example of Drawer use is in proteus. I know there is still some wasted space, but I really like the way you can quikly switch between conversations, and have them all collected nicely. The small amount of wasted space from the drwaer (which can be closed) is a small sacrafice for not having 3 or 4 IM windows open at the same time. The drawer contains a list of names which are the currently open conversations. Each name also has a typing indicator, and a new message coutner so you know who you are currently talking to. I have a good number of mailboxes (4 acounts can do that) so I also dont have any waster space with Mail. If your going to talk about wasted space in a mail client don't forget entourage which has a simlar "drawer" like feature. IE also had drawers for managing bookmarks, Histories and other things. The sidebar anyone? I find that even more anoying then a draw since it actualy takes up window space that could be better used for displaying HTML (yes I know you can turn it off) My 2 cents. And yes badily used drawers are anoying, but they are hardly bad in all cases. A nice example of Drawer use is in proteus.

I know there is still some wasted space, but I really like the way you can quikly switch between conversations, and have them all collected nicely. The small amount of wasted space from the drwaer (which can be closed) is a small sacrafice for not having 3 or 4 IM windows open at the same time. The drawer contains a list of names which are the currently open conversations. Each name also has a typing indicator, and a new message coutner so you know who you are currently talking to.

I have a good number of mailboxes (4 acounts can do that) so I also dont have any waster space with Mail. If your going to talk about wasted space in a mail client don't forget entourage which has a simlar "drawer" like feature.

IE also had drawers for managing bookmarks, Histories and other things. The sidebar anyone?

I find that even more anoying then a draw since it actualy takes up window space that could be better used for displaying HTML (yes I know you can turn it off)

My 2 cents.

And yes badily used drawers are anoying, but they are hardly bad in all cases.

]]> By: Exordium http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers#comment-2822 Exordium Fri, 02 May 2003 15:59:32 +0000 http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers/#comment-2822 <strong>Drawer Disgust</strong> Erik over at NSLog(); has opined about Drawers. No, not the kind that you have to jump into when there is a knock at the door on a Saturday morning. He's talking about the kinds that make ever more annoying Drawer Disgust

Erik over at NSLog(); has opined about Drawers. No, not the kind that you have to jump into when there is a knock at the door on a Saturday morning. He's talking about the kinds that make ever more annoying

]]> By: Erik J. Barzeski http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers#comment-2816 Erik J. Barzeski Fri, 02 May 2003 15:56:24 +0000 http://nslog.com/2003/05/02/disliking_drawers/#comment-2816 I disagree. I'd rather see that note hierarchy in a separate window so I can resize it more freely. I disagree. I'd rather see that note hierarchy in a separate window so I can resize it more freely.

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