Comments on: PF Icon: Final http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final The Weblog of Erik J. Barzeski Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:40:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jesper http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final#comment-7338 Jesper Sat, 06 Mar 2004 13:16:38 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final/#comment-7338 I've read through the comments and it seems both of you guys make good points. And I agree with "A Big Fan"; what if he hadn't passed by your weblog earlier? I can ofcourse understand your stance of this, Erik, being tired of new people coming in and wanting to change it; but again you asked for comments. ("What do you think?") This could be interpreted as both "if you've got any small adjustments, tell me" and "the logo's finished, we won't change it, now how does it look?" to me - I don't regard an icon as final before it's in a shipped product, because there's always some space to fix small things in it, but that's just me ofcourse. As for this whole stance on anonymous posting; why don't you just disallow anonymous posting and only link URLs if they're set and never email? If someone did want a link to their email (which I suggest they don't), they could leave a mailto: URL. Also, the "use a real name, email and URL" sounds to me as if it asks for a "real name" although I understand "real" applies to all three of them. It also sounds like it's going against the previous sentence by saying "okay, use your real email but you can disguise it with a URL" and then "use a real URL" (in bold, too!) Alas, this is all nitpicking. The icon's very good, and I, as well as Stevie, think it's a NNW competitor. I've read through the comments and it seems both of you guys make good points. And I agree with "A Big Fan"; what if he hadn't passed by your weblog earlier? I can ofcourse understand your stance of this, Erik, being tired of new people coming in and wanting to change it; but again you asked for comments. ("What do you think?") This could be interpreted as both "if you've got any small adjustments, tell me" and "the logo's finished, we won't change it, now how does it look?" to me - I don't regard an icon as final before it's in a shipped product, because there's always some space to fix small things in it, but that's just me ofcourse.

As for this whole stance on anonymous posting; why don't you just disallow anonymous posting and only link URLs if they're set and never email? If someone did want a link to their email (which I suggest they don't), they could leave a mailto: URL.

Also, the "use a real name, email and URL" sounds to me as if it asks for a "real name" although I understand "real" applies to all three of them. It also sounds like it's going against the previous sentence by saying "okay, use your real email but you can disguise it with a URL" and then "use a real URL" (in bold, too!)

Alas, this is all nitpicking. The icon's very good, and I, as well as Stevie, think it's a NNW competitor.

]]> By: The Art of Adam Betts http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final#comment-7339 The Art of Adam Betts Tue, 02 Mar 2004 01:39:37 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final/#comment-7339 <strong>Pulp Fiction Icons</strong> Application and Toolbar Icon for Freshly Squeezed Software This is definitely the longest icon project I've been in. The long length on designing application icon was mainly my fault because of the difficulty in coming up with a good... Pulp Fiction Icons

Application and Toolbar Icon for Freshly Squeezed Software This is definitely the longest icon project I've been in. The long length on designing application icon was mainly my fault because of the difficulty in coming up with a good...

]]> By: Stevie http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final#comment-7337 Stevie Mon, 09 Feb 2004 06:53:45 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final/#comment-7337 Well i know I'm too late for the conversation about the icon, but that's not going to stop me. I think the icon is very nice, and communicates it's purpose just fine, though I really have no idea what it is. But it seems to me that this icon says, I display fresh content. And what is a an emerging popular software market with a severe lack of major players on the Mac OS X platform? Syndication. Funny, of all the great applications I've heard Erik talk about, NetNewsWire hasn't really been one of them. Random comment I couldn't manage to hold back: Although I thank you for your time spent in our country's armed forces, and really I wish you never would have had to go there in the first place, to compare your bravery there to your time spent on the internet is really not appropriate. Well i know I'm too late for the conversation about the icon, but that's not going to stop me. I think the icon is very nice, and communicates it's purpose just fine, though I really have no idea what it is. But it seems to me that this icon says, I display fresh content. And what is a an emerging popular software market with a severe lack of major players on the Mac OS X platform? Syndication.

Funny, of all the great applications I've heard Erik talk about, NetNewsWire hasn't really been one of them.

Random comment I couldn't manage to hold back: Although I thank you for your time spent in our country's armed forces, and really I wish you never would have had to go there in the first place, to compare your bravery there to your time spent on the internet is really not appropriate.

]]> By: Erik J. Barzeski http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final#comment-7336 Erik J. Barzeski Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:48:48 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final/#comment-7336 I don't care if you don't use a real name. Choose a moniker or an online username. "iacas" is mine and others have theirs. With at least a steady moniker I can identify readers and begin to assemble a mental picture of how they think, thus aiding in communication. Use a real email address but put blah.com as your URL if you want. I have no problem when I see comments like this (with a moniker and a fake URL) if the email address is valid. Anonymous posting is similar to someone screaming "you suck" from a crowd of people. There's no hope for identifying the person or pursuing a meaningful conversation. You are cowardly trying to remain anonymous and using the crowd for cover. I know your IP. How anonymous do you really think you are, anyway? I don't care if you don't use a real name. Choose a moniker or an online username. "iacas" is mine and others have theirs. With at least a steady moniker I can identify readers and begin to assemble a mental picture of how they think, thus aiding in communication. Use a real email address but put blah.com as your URL if you want. I have no problem when I see comments like this (with a moniker and a fake URL) if the email address is valid.

Anonymous posting is similar to someone screaming "you suck" from a crowd of people. There's no hope for identifying the person or pursuing a meaningful conversation. You are cowardly trying to remain anonymous and using the crowd for cover. I know your IP. How anonymous do you really think you are, anyway?

]]> By: Anonymous http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final#comment-7335 Anonymous Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:34:16 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final/#comment-7335 Hey, I'm not playing "tough guy" at all. I just got tired of being repeatedly called someone "without guts" and a "chickenshit," so I simply decided to say, "no, I'm not," (in so many words). By the way, no matter what one types in the "Name," "Email Address," and "URL" fields, nothing says that those data are authentic. Maybe if you instituted a challenge/response system verify e-mail addresses before submissions were posted, at least you'd know you had the e-mail address right... Hey, I'm not playing "tough guy" at all. I just got tired of being repeatedly called someone "without guts" and a "chickenshit," so I simply decided to say, "no, I'm not," (in so many words). By the way, no matter what one types in the "Name," "Email Address," and "URL" fields, nothing says that those data are authentic. Maybe if you instituted a challenge/response system verify e-mail addresses before submissions were posted, at least you'd know you had the e-mail address right...

]]> By: Erik J. Barzeski http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final#comment-7334 Erik J. Barzeski Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:41:08 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final/#comment-7334 Anonymous guy at 2:46 - you're wrong in your interpretation of, what's that called… English? Posting a URL "covers up" the email address. Movable Type shows the URL in comments listings (view the source if you want) and only shows the email address to me so that I can follow up with anyone who leaves a comment. I'm rather cool about things. You're the one playing the "I'm a tough guy and you're not" card. Anonymous guy at 2:46 - you're wrong in your interpretation of, what's that called… English?

Posting a URL "covers up" the email address. Movable Type shows the URL in comments listings (view the source if you want) and only shows the email address to me so that I can follow up with anyone who leaves a comment.

I'm rather cool about things. You're the one playing the "I'm a tough guy and you're not" card.

]]> By: Anonymous http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final#comment-7333 Anonymous Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:26:05 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final/#comment-7333 Ummm, Eric, Cool off. And, yes, you do suggest in the following that no e-mail address is required: "If you provide a URL, your email address is not displayed or in anyway "obtainable" by spambots." (Since posting an e-mail address explicitly would quite readily be harvestable by spambots, you imply that instead providing a url would be 'bot-proof' alternative.) Also, it's "any way." Thanks for playing. And, nobody in my combat unit thought I was a chickenshit in Afghanistan. Grow up. Ummm, Eric, Cool off. And, yes, you do suggest in the following that no e-mail address is required:

"If you provide a URL, your email address is not displayed or in anyway "obtainable" by spambots." (Since posting an e-mail address explicitly would quite readily be harvestable by spambots, you imply that instead providing a url would be 'bot-proof' alternative.) Also, it's "any way."

Thanks for playing. And, nobody in my combat unit thought I was a chickenshit in Afghanistan. Grow up.

]]> By: Erik J. Barzeski http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final#comment-7332 Erik J. Barzeski Sun, 08 Feb 2004 18:59:14 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final/#comment-7332 Whatever you say, Oprah, errrr, Adam. :-) And to the anonymous chickenshit of 1:56pm, try this on for size: the word "and." A URL will cover up an email address, but the text on my site says "a name, email, AND URL." I never suggested people leave "merely" a URL. Whatever you say, Oprah, errrr, Adam. :-)

And to the anonymous chickenshit of 1:56pm, try this on for size: the word "and." A URL will cover up an email address, but the text on my site says "a name, email, AND URL."

I never suggested people leave "merely" a URL.

]]> By: Anonymous http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final#comment-7331 Anonymous Sun, 08 Feb 2004 18:56:39 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final/#comment-7331 Lighten up! I'm confused... you've been fussing over the disuse of real name, email and URL, but now your most recent post suggests that merely a URL would be fine. So, which is it? Make up your mind, and while you're at it, don't expect others to read same! Lighten up! I'm confused... you've been fussing over the disuse of real name, email and URL, but now your most recent post suggests that merely a URL would be fine. So, which is it? Make up your mind, and while you're at it, don't expect others to read same!

]]> By: Adam http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final#comment-7330 Adam Sun, 08 Feb 2004 18:27:11 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/02/07/pf_icon_final/#comment-7330 At least no one signed as Anne Onymous. ;-) -ducks- At least no one signed as Anne Onymous. ;-)

-ducks-

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