Comments on: Ammunition Comparison http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison The Weblog of Erik J. Barzeski Wed, 23 May 2012 23:05:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Andy http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison#comment-64067 Andy Sat, 11 Dec 2010 04:59:05 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison/#comment-64067 Johnny...sorry I can't help you with your question but have some disagreement with your comments on the 5.56. It wasn't so much Army officers deciding to use it as much as it was McNamara. While it is correct that the 5.56 doesn't have as much knock down power as the 7.62, it is more accurate when fired rapidly and you can carry a hell of a lot more of it. (And its no slouch as far as destructice power. Hit a guy in the head and he will no longer have a head. And let's not forget the noise factor...one screams, "Here I am! Over here!" while the other says, "Where did that come from?) As for the Delta guys in Somalia, they could have had all the AK's they wanted but stopping power wasn't the issue...it was the fact that they were massively outnumbered and surrounded. Johnny...sorry I can't help you with your question but have some disagreement with your comments on the 5.56. It wasn't so much Army officers deciding to use it as much as it was McNamara. While it is correct that the 5.56 doesn't have as much knock down power as the 7.62, it is more accurate when fired rapidly and you can carry a hell of a lot more of it. (And its no slouch as far as destructice power. Hit a guy in the head and he will no longer have a head. And let's not forget the noise factor...one screams, "Here I am! Over here!" while the other says, "Where did that come from?) As for the Delta guys in Somalia, they could have had all the AK's they wanted but stopping power wasn't the issue...it was the fact that they were massively outnumbered and surrounded.

]]> By: Andy http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison#comment-64058 Andy Sat, 11 Dec 2010 04:36:45 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison/#comment-64058 [quote comment="55488"]Having been a Marine (1966 to 1972) i served two tours in Nam. 1st tour (67 to 68) was with L Co. 3/26 and i served as a grunt machine gunner (M-60) and occasionally a truck or ground mounted .50 cal. My second Nam tour was as a door-gunner/crew chief on a CH-53D helo. We had door mounted .50 cals. on both sides of bird. Never heard any objections or rules concerning shooting ground troops with a .50 cal. The M-60 was a heavy mother to hump in the bush but nothing got the adrenalin flowing like the yell " GUNS UP ". had to have been there to appreciate it. never heard a 60 refered to as the "pig". Must be an Army term.[/quote] Army guy here...never heard the 60 referred to as the "pig" either. Must have been his unit. I do know it is never wise to volunteer to carry the 60. Sure, it's got a ton of power but it's the loudest thing out there and the first thing the enemy tries to take out. I'll stick with my M-16. gunner 689 said on September 23, 2009:

Having been a Marine (1966 to 1972) i served two tours in Nam. 1st tour (67 to 68) was with L Co. 3/26 and i served as a grunt machine gunner (M-60) and occasionally a truck or ground mounted .50 cal. My second Nam tour was as a door-gunner/crew chief on a CH-53D helo. We had door mounted .50 cals. on both sides of bird. Never heard any objections or rules concerning shooting ground troops with a .50 cal. The M-60 was a heavy mother to hump in the bush but nothing got the adrenalin flowing like the yell " GUNS UP ". had to have been there to appreciate it. never heard a 60 refered to as the "pig". Must be an Army term.

Army guy here...never heard the 60 referred to as the "pig" either. Must have been his unit. I do know it is never wise to volunteer to carry the 60. Sure, it's got a ton of power but it's the loudest thing out there and the first thing the enemy tries to take out. I'll stick with my M-16.

]]> By: DaKine http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison#comment-63070 DaKine Fri, 22 Oct 2010 02:11:33 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison/#comment-63070 I was thinking about a Leupold scope, but I saw that Sportsman's Guide now has the military spec Crusader scopes for sale at far less than the ridiculous price the military paid. What are the thoughts on these? Are they as good as Leupold and worth the $450 they want for the 2-16x44mm scope? I was thinking about a Leupold scope, but I saw that Sportsman's Guide now has the military spec Crusader scopes for sale at far less than the ridiculous price the military paid. What are the thoughts on these? Are they as good as Leupold and worth the $450 they want for the 2-16x44mm scope?

]]> By: dlf http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison#comment-62751 dlf Thu, 02 Sep 2010 09:46:25 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison/#comment-62751 The CCI .22 LR Mini-Mag ammo is ideal for small game hunting and general plinking. It is one of the industry's leading high velocity rimfire rounds. Clean-burning propellants help to keep the action cleaner. It's new production and non-corrosive. The CCI .22 LR Mini-Mag ammo is ideal for small game hunting and general plinking. It is one of the industry's leading high velocity rimfire rounds. Clean-burning propellants help to keep the action cleaner. It's new production and non-corrosive.

]]> By: rifle ammunition http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison#comment-62434 rifle ammunition Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:32:49 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison/#comment-62434 Yep. Just like Shane, 30 minutes was spent for this entire blog -- 5 minutes for the article, 25 minutes for the comments. Had a nice time, though. It was a very informative 30 minutes. By the way, my dad gave me a .22 caliber a couple years back. I never knew I had that much mincemeating power in my hands! ;) Yep. Just like Shane, 30 minutes was spent for this entire blog -- 5 minutes for the article, 25 minutes for the comments. Had a nice time, though. It was a very informative 30 minutes.

By the way, my dad gave me a .22 caliber a couple years back. I never knew I had that much mincemeating power in my hands! ;)

]]> By: Gray Ryder http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison#comment-62135 Gray Ryder Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:25:54 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison/#comment-62135 Hey Boot, Back off of j8541. He is halfway correct. The last time I attended a NRA Range Shoot. The 380 was classed with the 9mm, 38 line. The 380 is also known as a 9mm short. He, j8541, told you straight. The ammunition is not inter-changeable.The balls are diametically the same. However, the knock down power between the three is some what is to be considered. The most important consideration in the use of the said three is to use the ammunition needed for the purpose intended. Federal Hydro-Shok, (now, now Boot don't get you panties in a wad, that is the way Federal spells Shok), and/or Normady Critical Defense on a double tap mass placement will stop any aggressor. I do not have the least idea as to the weapon, that was used by the snake eaters in Nam. However, I do know that the bolt action 06 was used in WWII and Korea. Now, as to the 50 Cal., being used at this point in time on the rag heads and camel traders. I viewed a special, on the Military Channel, whereas, the 50 sniper design, by some special name, was being tested for future sniper action use and it had be placed in action on a test basis in Afgan. As for the ammunition, Geneva Conventions, has provisions as to the use of only FMJ ammunition. However, a target is a target and when your job is to take out the target, who is going to check the spent round to determined if is within the GC provisions. A very special thanks to all you that served and are currently in the service to our nation. Gray Ryder. Hey Boot,
Back off of j8541. He is halfway correct. The last time I attended a NRA Range Shoot. The 380 was classed with the 9mm, 38 line. The 380 is also known as a 9mm short. He, j8541, told you straight. The ammunition is not inter-changeable.The balls are diametically the same. However, the knock down power between the three is some what is to be considered.

The most important consideration in the use of the said three is to use the ammunition needed for the purpose intended. Federal Hydro-Shok, (now, now Boot don't get you panties in a wad, that is the way Federal spells Shok), and/or Normady Critical Defense on a double tap mass placement will stop any aggressor.

I do not have the least idea as to the weapon, that was used by the snake eaters in Nam. However, I do know that the bolt action 06 was used in WWII and Korea. Now, as to the 50 Cal., being used at this point in time on the rag heads and camel traders. I viewed a special, on the Military Channel, whereas, the 50 sniper design, by some special name, was being tested for future sniper action use and it had be placed in action on a test basis in Afgan. As for the ammunition, Geneva Conventions, has provisions as to the use of only FMJ ammunition. However, a target is a target and when your job is to take out the target, who is going to check the spent round to determined if is within the GC provisions.

A very special thanks to all you that served and are currently in the service to our nation.

Gray Ryder.

]]> By: Gray Ryder http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison#comment-62134 Gray Ryder Sun, 13 Jun 2010 03:43:29 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison/#comment-62134 It depends on the weapon you are using. The 22 hollow points are known for their jamming in an automatic feed weapon. Then again, the jamming may be due, that you are attempting to chamber the wrong 22 ammunition. There are, the last time researched 22 ammunition a Short,(S), Long,(L), and Long Rifle, (LR), lengths. The LR., is the only one, I think that can be purchased in a hollow point. Your weapon will have the correct ammunition to be used in it stamped on the barrel or magazine housing.I do not think, that there is a 22 rifle on the market today, that will permit the use of all three of the said lengths. It is best for you to discuss your problem with an knowledgable individual at a sportsmans center or call the manufacture of the weapon and/or ammunition to determine the cause of your experiencing problem. If you wish to follow-up on your experiencing probelm with me. You just reply to this reply comment and I will do my best to get back to you. Gray Ryder It depends on the weapon you are using. The 22 hollow points are known for their jamming in an automatic feed weapon. Then again, the jamming may be due, that you are attempting to chamber the wrong 22 ammunition. There are, the last time researched 22 ammunition a Short,(S), Long,(L), and Long Rifle, (LR), lengths. The LR., is the only one, I think that can be purchased in a hollow point. Your weapon will have the correct ammunition to be used in it stamped on the barrel or magazine housing.I do not think, that there is a 22 rifle on the market today, that will permit the use of all three of the said lengths.

It is best for you to discuss your problem with an knowledgable individual at a sportsmans center or call the manufacture of the weapon and/or ammunition to determine the cause of your experiencing problem.

If you wish to follow-up on your experiencing probelm with me. You just reply to this reply comment and I will do my best to get back to you.

Gray Ryder

]]> By: Joe http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison#comment-56494 Joe Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:39:31 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison/#comment-56494 OK. That made absolutely no sense. Well, maybe a little. The gist of it seems to be that you are against hunting. I further assume that you believe there will be some armed vegetarian revolution. I just don't see it happening. Anyway, I'm sure I'm not the only person here who hunts for food and not just for a set of horns or antlers or a skin to tack to my wall. I won't even try to explain further as it may compel you to type more gibberish that will make even less sense than what you've already written. Let's stick to guns and ammo...... BTW, I just got my Kimber SIS and it is AWESOME! It's taken a great amount of self-restraint not to drain my bank account by buying and shooting thousands of rounds through it. OK. That made absolutely no sense. Well, maybe a little. The gist of it seems to be that you are against hunting. I further assume that you believe there will be some armed vegetarian revolution. I just don't see it happening. Anyway, I'm sure I'm not the only person here who hunts for food and not just for a set of horns or antlers or a skin to tack to my wall. I won't even try to explain further as it may compel you to type more gibberish that will make even less sense than what you've already written.
Let's stick to guns and ammo......
BTW, I just got my Kimber SIS and it is AWESOME! It's taken a great amount of self-restraint not to drain my bank account by buying and shooting thousands of rounds through it.

]]> By: gunner 689 http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison#comment-55488 gunner 689 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:15:19 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison/#comment-55488 Having been a Marine (1966 to 1972) i served two tours in Nam. 1st tour (67 to 68) was with L Co. 3/26 and i served as a grunt machine gunner (M-60) and occasionally a truck or ground mounted .50 cal. My second Nam tour was as a door-gunner/crew chief on a CH-53D helo. We had door mounted .50 cals. on both sides of bird. Never heard any objections or rules concerning shooting ground troops with a .50 cal. The M-60 was a heavy mother to hump in the bush but nothing got the adrenalin flowing like the yell " GUNS UP ". had to have been there to appreciate it. never heard a 60 refered to as the "pig". Must be an Army term. Having been a Marine (1966 to 1972) i served two tours in Nam. 1st tour (67 to 68) was with L Co. 3/26 and i served as a grunt machine gunner (M-60) and occasionally a truck or ground mounted .50 cal. My second Nam tour was as a door-gunner/crew chief on a CH-53D helo. We had door mounted .50 cals. on both sides of bird. Never heard any objections or rules concerning shooting ground troops with a .50 cal. The M-60 was a heavy mother to hump in the bush but nothing got the adrenalin flowing like the yell " GUNS UP ". had to have been there to appreciate it. never heard a 60 refered to as the "pig". Must be an Army term.

]]> By: Shane http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison#comment-54990 Shane Sat, 08 Aug 2009 03:57:08 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/15/ammunition_comparison/#comment-54990 I just spent 30 minutes reading this entire blog... I learned little about ammo... but i think i learnerd more about our marine friend here. Thanks, j8541, for serving this country. I appreciate what you have done. Thoughts and prayers with you and the men and women of the armed forces. I just spent 30 minutes reading this entire blog... I learned little about ammo... but i think i learnerd more about our marine friend here. Thanks, j8541, for serving this country. I appreciate what you have done. Thoughts and prayers with you and the men and women of the armed forces.

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