Comments on: Cleveland Plain Dealer http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer The Weblog of Erik J. Barzeski Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:40:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: John Carroll http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer#comment-41139 John Carroll Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:20:41 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer/#comment-41139 This is an invasion of my privacy. Completely. I have a permit and went through the background checks. I am NOT a threat to anyone except someone who is going to try and harm myself or my family. The Plain Dealer is wrong. This is an invasion of my privacy. Completely. I have a permit and went through the background checks. I am NOT a threat to anyone except someone who is going to try and harm myself or my family. The Plain Dealer is wrong.

]]> By: Marc http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer#comment-29949 Marc Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:03:16 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer/#comment-29949 Here's an idea let the Plain Dealer publish a list of every citizen that does not own a gun. Then let's see how many people on that list are robbed that night. It was a complete invasion of privacy by publishing that list, and it defeated the purpose of there being private unknown citizens that have a concelled weapon. Here's an idea let the Plain Dealer publish a list of every citizen that does not own a gun. Then let's see how many people on that list are robbed that night. It was a complete invasion of privacy by publishing that list, and it defeated the purpose of there being private unknown citizens that have a concelled weapon.

]]> By: Steve Streza http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer#comment-10555 Steve Streza Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:44:46 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer/#comment-10555 You might remember that I was one of the supporters of that whole <a href="http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer/">Cleveland Plain Dealer debacle</a>. Since then, I've changed my stance from being anti-gun to pro-gun for a lot of reasons, and have also switched to condemn the Plain Dealer for posting that list, because a few weeks after that list was posted, a convenience store owner, who had a CCL, was shot fatally when robbers went into rob his store, guns blazing, because they saw his name in the Plain Dealer. I just wanted to redeclare my positionon the issue, because it has changed since the last time we've discussed it. You might remember that I was one of the supporters of that whole Cleveland Plain Dealer debacle. Since then, I've changed my stance from being anti-gun to pro-gun for a lot of reasons, and have also switched to condemn the Plain Dealer for posting that list, because a few weeks after that list was posted, a convenience store owner, who had a CCL, was shot fatally when robbers went into rob his store, guns blazing, because they saw his name in the Plain Dealer.

I just wanted to redeclare my positionon the issue, because it has changed since the last time we've discussed it.

]]> By: Caleb Jaffa http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer#comment-10554 Caleb Jaffa Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:09:04 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer/#comment-10554 Well killing people isn't good. However CHL's aren't killing innocent people, they are getting the guys who are threatening other people's lives. Lets take for example a convenience store robbery, of everyone there, if someone is going to die, I think it is better for the one with little regard for their fellowman's life to die then the clerk(s), or customers who might be there. I am pretty sure that CHLs are aware of the possible consequences of pulling their firearm out, and so they don't do it carelessly. Well killing people isn't good. However CHL's aren't killing innocent people, they are getting the guys who are threatening other people's lives. Lets take for example a convenience store robbery, of everyone there, if someone is going to die, I think it is better for the one with little regard for their fellowman's life to die then the clerk(s), or customers who might be there. I am pretty sure that CHLs are aware of the possible consequences of pulling their firearm out, and so they don't do it carelessly.

]]> By: James http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer#comment-10553 James Mon, 02 Aug 2004 17:25:33 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer/#comment-10553 <blockquote>In fact, the study showed private citizens actually outperform the police by killing up to three times as many criminals...</blockquote> OK, well if killing people is a good thing, then go CHLs!

In fact, the study showed private citizens actually outperform the police by killing up to three times as many criminals...

OK, well if killing people is a good thing, then go CHLs!

]]> By: Gabe http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer#comment-10552 Gabe Sun, 01 Aug 2004 18:39:04 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer/#comment-10552 Jeeze, I actually got a headache reading Ruby's commnet... Jeeze, I actually got a headache reading Ruby's commnet...

]]> By: KarlyeS http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer#comment-10551 KarlyeS Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:31:03 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer/#comment-10551 To everyone on this blog, I am making my formal introduction to you as Karlye, Erik's sister. Until today I was content to simply read Erik's postings and other's replies as a way to keep up with what my brother was thinking and doing in his life. After reading this article and some of your silly replies, I was compelled to respond to your ignorance. The quote that comes to mind when reading your replies is one that my father often says. "An armed society is a peaceful society." If I am legally carrying a concealed weapon, which I often do, I am more likely to walk away from a confrontation than if I were not carrying that weapon, because I wouldn't want it to get to the point where the gun may become an issue. Being a woman in today's society, I can't trust anyone. I am a real estate agent, so I often find myself in vehicles and houses with complete strangers. Having that gun in my purse gives me the security to know that I am a bit safer in the situation. I hope I never have to pull that gun out of my purse, and every other person I know that carries a concealed weapon feels the same way. Just because we have the LEGAL right to carry a gun does not meant that we are going to use it! It is ignorant people like Ruby Ridge and Steve Streza that think they have the "right to know" other people's private matters. I will gladly tell anyone that I carry a concealed weapon, but that's my decision to tell, not some self-righteous newspaper who's just looking for an exclusive article to print. To everyone on this blog, I am making my formal introduction to you as Karlye, Erik's sister. Until today I was content to simply read Erik's postings and other's replies as a way to keep up with what my brother was thinking and doing in his life. After reading this article and some of your silly replies, I was compelled to respond to your ignorance.

The quote that comes to mind when reading your replies is one that my father often says. "An armed society is a peaceful society." If I am legally carrying a concealed weapon, which I often do, I am more likely to walk away from a confrontation than if I were not carrying that weapon, because I wouldn't want it to get to the point where the gun may become an issue.

Being a woman in today's society, I can't trust anyone. I am a real estate agent, so I often find myself in vehicles and houses with complete strangers. Having that gun in my purse gives me the security to know that I am a bit safer in the situation. I hope I never have to pull that gun out of my purse, and every other person I know that carries a concealed weapon feels the same way. Just because we have the LEGAL right to carry a gun does not meant that we are going to use it! It is ignorant people like Ruby Ridge and Steve Streza that think they have the "right to know" other people's private matters. I will gladly tell anyone that I carry a concealed weapon, but that's my decision to tell, not some self-righteous newspaper who's just looking for an exclusive article to print.

]]> By: Erik J. Barzeski http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer#comment-10550 Erik J. Barzeski Sat, 31 Jul 2004 14:04:24 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer/#comment-10550 Steve, you're out of the can. That last comment is now the dumbest thing I've heard today - or this week. Steve, you're out of the can. That last comment is now the dumbest thing I've heard today - or this week.

]]> By: ruby ridge http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer#comment-10549 ruby ridge Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:28:14 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer/#comment-10549 they post lists of sex offenders- why not gun owners? they're just as bad. they post lists of sex offenders- why not gun owners? they're just as bad.

]]> By: Caleb Jaffa http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer#comment-10548 Caleb Jaffa Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:05:53 +0000 http://nslog.com/2004/07/30/cleveland_plain_dealer/#comment-10548 I've always thought this quote was interesting, particularly given that it is around 500 years old. "Rome remained free for four hundred years and Sparta eight hundred, although their citizens were armed all that time; but many other states that have been disarmed have lost their liberties in less than forty years." --Nicolo Machiavelli I may not ever own a gun, but I like that I am able to. I like that people that are responsible, like Erik, who like having guns for a hobby live in my country. I don't get this dislike for people who own guns. I am more worried about the guy who got his gun for cash from some guy selling it out of the back of his van, than I am a person who took the time and effort to legally obtain it. More on topic, we live in an age when more information than governments of old commanded is literally at our fingertips. It opens a whole new can of worms about being able to reliably provide information to those who need/should have it, and not to those who don't need it. I think it is interesting how there used to be a lot more honor in the world, but these days it seems like everyone is willing to sell out to push their own agenda. People do things with blatant disregard for others, hoping that even if they are called on it, they only receive a slap on the wrist. I've always thought this quote was interesting, particularly given that it is around 500 years old.

"Rome remained free for four hundred years and Sparta eight hundred, although their citizens were armed all that time; but many other states that have been disarmed have lost their liberties in less than forty years."

--Nicolo Machiavelli

I may not ever own a gun, but I like that I am able to. I like that people that are responsible, like Erik, who like having guns for a hobby live in my country. I don't get this dislike for people who own guns. I am more worried about the guy who got his gun for cash from some guy selling it out of the back of his van, than I am a person who took the time and effort to legally obtain it.

More on topic, we live in an age when more information than governments of old commanded is literally at our fingertips. It opens a whole new can of worms about being able to reliably provide information to those who need/should have it, and not to those who don't need it. I think it is interesting how there used to be a lot more honor in the world, but these days it seems like everyone is willing to sell out to push their own agenda. People do things with blatant disregard for others, hoping that even if they are called on it, they only receive a slap on the wrist.

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