Comments on: Midtones http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones The Weblog of Erik J. Barzeski Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:31:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Brad Murphy http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones#comment-14740 Brad Murphy Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:31:55 +0000 http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones/#comment-14740 Kids are so much fun and so photogenic. My girl is three now and she flat out loves the zoo. Kids are so much fun and so photogenic. My girl is three now and she flat out loves the zoo.

]]> By: Neil http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones#comment-14739 Neil Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:38:48 +0000 http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones/#comment-14739 The raw pictures out of my Canon 10D are dismally flat. First thing I do is pull the levels in from the two ends to where the left and right sides of the peak start. Then I'd up the contrast a bit on this one. If I'm working in Photoshop, then I adjust the R, G and B levels separately. I've put before and after pictures <a href="http://ose.typepad.com/grumpy/">here</a>. The raw pictures out of my Canon 10D are dismally flat. First thing I do is pull the levels in from the two ends to where the left and right sides of the peak start. Then I'd up the contrast a bit on this one. If I'm working in Photoshop, then I adjust the R, G and B levels separately. I've put before and after pictures here.

]]> By: Heinrich Beck http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones#comment-14738 Heinrich Beck Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:33:10 +0000 http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones/#comment-14738 I think you guys are kinda missing the forest for the trees here. The whole midtones discussion seems a bit much... Worry more about composition first....let the camera worry about the tones. <a href="http://www.iheinrich.com/desktops/"> for some of my images, look here </a> Them's are just my dos centavos, I don't mean to dis anyone. P.S. The fill flash to bring out the detail in duck's head is a good idea. In the RAW mode, you should be able to bring up the Exposure Compensation +1, that might get it. I think you guys are kinda missing the forest for the trees here. The whole midtones discussion seems a bit much...

Worry more about composition first....let the camera worry about the tones.

for some of my images, look here

Them's are just my dos centavos, I don't mean to dis anyone.

P.S. The fill flash to bring out the detail in duck's head is a good idea. In the RAW mode, you should be able to bring up the Exposure Compensation +1, that might get it.

]]> By: Todd Laffler http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones#comment-14737 Todd Laffler Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:11:57 +0000 http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones/#comment-14737 josh anon, in retrospect I agree with you. However, I also did explain that a histogram is neither good or bad, it simply is what it is, showing you how much of the image is found at a particular brightness level. While the histogram is simply a reflection of the image you photographed, that does not mean you can't change it in an image editing program later either. As a footnote, let me say that for ME personally, having spikes on both ends of the histogram is generally desirable, as I tend to prefer images with a little punch and contrast to them. josh anon, in retrospect I agree with you. However, I also did explain that a histogram is neither good or bad, it simply is what it is, showing you how much of the image is found at a particular brightness level. While the histogram is simply a reflection of the image you photographed, that does not mean you can't change it in an image editing program later either. As a footnote, let me say that for ME personally, having spikes on both ends of the histogram is generally desirable, as I tend to prefer images with a little punch and contrast to them.

]]> By: Erik J. Barzeski http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones#comment-14736 Erik J. Barzeski Thu, 07 Apr 2005 00:44:02 +0000 http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones/#comment-14736 Josh, in the original picture the duck has more room in front. And this is just for Little One's picture book, so I wasn't too worried about taking a good picture of a duck - just taking pictures of different things. That being said, I hear you about the flash. Josh, in the original picture the duck has more room in front. And this is just for Little One's picture book, so I wasn't too worried about taking a good picture of a duck - just taking pictures of different things. That being said, I hear you about the flash.

]]> By: josh anon http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones#comment-14735 josh anon Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:52:41 +0000 http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones/#comment-14735 Todd, You are flat out wrong that a histogram with spikes spanning your whole histogram is a generally desirable trait. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a histogram where you have a distribution centered on the middle with no strong peaks in the highlights/shadows. For instance, when you take a shot of a bird against a sky (or water), you often end up with a histogram like that. Keep in mind that histograms are pixel counts. If most of the image is a middle color, such as the middle colors of the water and bird, then it simply means that your count will be higher there. Erik, when I look at your shot, the first thing that comes to mind is to use your flash to throw a bit of catch light into the duck's eye. You'd also want to wait for the duck to look at you or do something more interesting. I'd also put more room ahead of the duck than behind so that he has room to move. However, your tonal range is fine. It's a medium-toned image with no strong contrast, no strong dark areas, and no strong light areas. There's nothing wrong with it. Todd,

You are flat out wrong that a histogram with spikes spanning your whole histogram is a generally desirable trait. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a histogram where you have a distribution centered on the middle with no strong peaks in the highlights/shadows. For instance, when you take a shot of a bird against a sky (or water), you often end up with a histogram like that. Keep in mind that histograms are pixel counts. If most of the image is a middle color, such as the middle colors of the water and bird, then it simply means that your count will be higher there.

Erik, when I look at your shot, the first thing that comes to mind is to use your flash to throw a bit of catch light into the duck's eye. You'd also want to wait for the duck to look at you or do something more interesting. I'd also put more room ahead of the duck than behind so that he has room to move. However, your tonal range is fine. It's a medium-toned image with no strong contrast, no strong dark areas, and no strong light areas. There's nothing wrong with it.

]]> By: Todd Laffler http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones#comment-14734 Todd Laffler Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:06:08 +0000 http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones/#comment-14734 I wouldn't say it is necessarily a good or bad thing, it all depends what kind of image you originally photographed, and what kind of image you are after. Having said that however, it is generally better to have a histogram that has "spikes" spanning from the left most side (the darks, or shadows) across to the right side (the lights, or highlights). The reason for this is because you usually want to maximize the tonal range (from left most to right most part of the histogram) in your photograph. If you have it all bunched up in the middle like Erik's shows, you wind up with a dull image with no real highlights or deep shadows to speak of. I should clarify, it appears that Erik does indeed have some bright highlights and dark shadows, but he just doesn't have a lot of either, thus the bunching up in the middle (showing predominantly midtones). The vertical spikes in the histogram indicate how much of the image is found at a particular brightness level. There are of course exceptions, such as very foggy scenes. These scenes will usually have bunched up middle areas of the histogram which can be desirable if you are after a moody image. As I stated, it's not necessarily a good or bad thing. It is what it is. Erik mentioned cropping this image, but said there was more "murky" water in it. This makes sense as to why the histogram looks the way it does. The camera saw all this midtone "murkiness" and exposed for it. So the camera thinks the majority of the scene was greyish and exposed accordingly. A lot of what your histogram looks like is directly related to what your capturing looks like. If there are many midtones, as in Erik's shot, the histogram will simply reflect that. I hope I described that in a way that makes sense. If not let me know, and I can clarify. Thanks I wouldn't say it is necessarily a good or bad thing, it all depends what kind of image you originally photographed, and what kind of image you are after. Having said that however, it is generally better to have a histogram that has "spikes" spanning from the left most side (the darks, or shadows) across to the right side (the lights, or highlights). The reason for this is because you usually want to maximize the tonal range (from left most to right most part of the histogram) in your photograph. If you have it all bunched up in the middle like Erik's shows, you wind up with a dull image with no real highlights or deep shadows to speak of. I should clarify, it appears that Erik does indeed have some bright highlights and dark shadows, but he just doesn't have a lot of either, thus the bunching up in the middle (showing predominantly midtones). The vertical spikes in the histogram indicate how much of the image is found at a particular brightness level. There are of course exceptions, such as very foggy scenes. These scenes will usually have bunched up middle areas of the histogram which can be desirable if you are after a moody image. As I stated, it's not necessarily a good or bad thing. It is what it is. Erik mentioned cropping this image, but said there was more "murky" water in it. This makes sense as to why the histogram looks the way it does. The camera saw all this midtone "murkiness" and exposed for it. So the camera thinks the majority of the scene was greyish and exposed accordingly. A lot of what your histogram looks like is directly related to what your capturing looks like. If there are many midtones, as in Erik's shot, the histogram will simply reflect that. I hope I described that in a way that makes sense. If not let me know, and I can clarify. Thanks

]]> By: Ben http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones#comment-14733 Ben Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:01:41 +0000 http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones/#comment-14733 For those of us learning more about photography by reading your blog entries about this new camera, can you say a little more about whether having things concentrated in the midtone region is a good thing and why or why not? For those of us learning more about photography by reading your blog entries about this new camera, can you say a little more about whether having things concentrated in the midtone region is a good thing and why or why not?

]]> By: Heinrich Beck http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones#comment-14732 Heinrich Beck Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:36:11 +0000 http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones/#comment-14732 That little girl is a cute as a button! Too bad you don't have a Nikon! That little girl is a cute as a button! Too bad you don't have a Nikon!

]]> By: Erik J. Barzeski http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones#comment-14731 Erik J. Barzeski Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:22:58 +0000 http://nslog.com/2005/04/06/midtones/#comment-14731 Other pictures can be found <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/iacas/PhotoAlbum32.html">here</a>. Other pictures can be found here.

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